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myschyf ([personal profile] myschyf) wrote2012-03-26 06:55 pm

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Okay, here's something I don't understand.

The people who get all frothed up over another person's religion get twice as frothed up if the person has *no* religion.

Shouldn't it be better in their eyes, 'cause not believing in anything should be less horrible than believing in the "wrong" thing, shouldn't it?

I know. I should let it go. But I really don't understand the frothing people and every now and then, I try to.

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As you may have noticed, Sam got an ipod for her birthday (I gave it to her early) and I've turned control of her journal over to her. This should be interesting.

Though, she's still posting everything under friends lock and I still have the password. She's only turning twelve after all. :)

~~~

There's a church down the street and around the corner from us. As we were heading out to the movies on Friday, I caught the sign out of the corner of my eye.

"God is Coming
Is the Son in your eyes?"

Couldn't get a picture (though, still hope to) 'cause I was laughing far, *far* too hard. Someone had to know, right? It's all just a giant practical joke, isn't it?

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Getting to know Mister Rogers.

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A New Set of Avengers Pics in which No One is Happy.

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Oh, if anyone is playing DrawSomething, my usernames are Myschyf & Dandelion_Diva. Yeah, I don't even know why at this point. But, there ya go. :)

[identity profile] rebellibrarian.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm trying to think through some of the ways people are presenting themselves when they have a differing opinion/feeling/belief. Right now thought it's making my head hurt.

I'm playing DrawSomething as a distraction from the UGH of life - rebellibrarian is my name - but I warn you, I am BAD at the drawing thing. My "somethings" have a habit of being very very simple but I do try to get the point across. :-)

[identity profile] fbhjr.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
If you believe god (gods, etc) can exist then you are closer to any religion than someone who does not believe that they can exist at all.
If you don't believe it is even possible, then there is no chance they can convert you to their version.
So, you're farther away than any kind of believer.

The Really-Trying-To-Be-Kindly Atheist Says....

[identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Partly what [livejournal.com profile] fbhjr said, and partly that, simply by being an atheist in public, you are [a] denying the very existence of the god they worship and [b] implying that they are an idiot for believing in an imaginary being. No matter that a person's opinions about this are his or her own. (I'm very fond of the notion that, at core, every religion has one member.)

One very interesting way of attacking atheism that I've noticed is for the non-atheist to say the atheist is actually an agnostic, because if sufficient proof in the existence of a God was found, said atheist/agnostic would believe. They don't seem to grasp that, by the lights of an atheist, such proof would be so profound that, yeah, confronted with it, pretty much anybody would believe.

However, the kind of proof we're likely to have, i.e., the same "proof" we've had all along, makes the existence of God -- certainly one as they envision -- so far out of the realm of possibility that it may as well be impossible.
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Re: The Really-Trying-To-Be-Kindly Atheist Says....

[personal profile] cz_unit 2012-03-27 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Well, in which case it would cease to be "belief" and become "fact".

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[personal profile] cz_unit 2012-03-26 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Believing in nothing means two things:

1) Your soul is in play! Double points or something to redeem it.

2) Since believers are so handicapped (they tithe money you don't have to, they waste Sundays/Ssturdays/whatever doing the God thing, they have to deal with guilt) they are incredibly JEALOUS of someone who is not so encumbered. So instead of going to you they would rather drag you down to them.

Makes sense if you think of God as a virus.

[identity profile] rev-mom.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I like to think of Ghod as that good part that resides in all things, not the mean SkyDaddy that punishes us for beng "bad". "Love Me, serve Me, obey Me or you'll be sorry!". That is abuse.

Saturdays and Sundays are manmade timeboxes. We should is live good lives all days, or try to.

Nothing is soulless. Energy comes from somewhere and goes somewhere. That's all I know for sure.

[identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
This atheist loves you. <3

[identity profile] rev-mom.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
re: "frothing"....and that doesn't even consider that if the frotheres are Bible-believers, that they are going against their own beliefs. To interfere with someone's understanding of Ghod is wrong. That is the work of their Holy Spirit part of the Triune Ghod...

They really need to back off and attend to their own souls :)

[identity profile] crossfire.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"God is Coming
Is the Son in your eyes?"


ALL THE DOUBLE ENTENDRES

[identity profile] dornbeast.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The people who get all frothed up over another person's religion get twice as frothed up if the person has *no* religion.

Shouldn't it be better in their eyes, 'cause not believing in anything should be less horrible than believing in the "wrong" thing, shouldn't it?


It depends on how you look at it. Imagine that there's an Ultimate Tea Snob, who thinks that There Is Only One Tea Worth Drinking. And there's people who drink the Wrong Kind Of Tea, and people who don't drink tea at all.

Which one is closer to Drinking The Right Kind Of Tea?

[identity profile] micheinnz.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
PERFECT analogy.

[identity profile] granniechuckie.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The 'frothers' are so caught up in their 'thing' they can't take a step back to respect a belief or opinion different from their own.

This applies to all subjects, not only religion. Tolerance is lost in this era. Somewhere down the road the world & the U.S. population specifically has lost the meaning of tolerate & co-existence.

I've spent a life-time with friends and relations on all sides of just about any topic you can name. It has only been within the last decade or so that I've seen such vitriol. People are so danged quick to become outraged and offended. Two words that are so over-used they should be erased from the dictionary. To be truly outraged as often as folks claim would cause burst blood vessels & crowded emergency rooms. And don’t even get me started on the offended, the pseudo-apologies, and apologies proffered where no apology is required.

The need to RIGHT is ruining civil discourse. (that is ‘right’ as in correct not a political leaning, by the way.)

This concluded my soap-box blathering for today. Feel free to return to regularly scheduled program

[identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
I've often wondered about that--I get a whole lot of hostility for being an atheist, although I wouldn't be able to cite statistics on whether it's MORE than people give to people of Other Religions. I do wonder, though, if it's easier for a theist to understand believing in SOMETHING, even if it's not the same thing, than it is to understand a belief in NOTHING.

[identity profile] whitecrow0.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I posted an article about atheism on facebook, and a friend of mine responded with what I think is an insightful point; she said that most people raised in a religion are taught not do to something wrong not because it's wrong, but because they'll get punished for it. Therefore, since an atheist wouldn't think he'd be punished, he's more likely to do something wrong. Or so they might think.

[identity profile] whitecrow0.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
(Oh, also I think it's awesome that Sam is journalling. I've tried to get my boys to keep up theirs and they don't. :/)

[identity profile] mattwolf.livejournal.com 2012-03-31 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, it makes sense. The wrong religion is bad enough, but godlessness? That's a lot worse in the eyes of those who care about such things.